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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 524 for the 4th of

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November 2018 Richardson is here with

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you from Sydney Australia West summer

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has come muggy weather has come we had a

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very warm day a couple of days back

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people were melting on the streets

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Maynard was melting but may not even

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though may not was melting into a puddle

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he and I still drove out to the

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paranormal and spiritual Expo here in

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Cotulla it's been going for seven years

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now coming up in a couple of weeks I

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think we'll be having some reports and

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insights and interviews from that

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adventure one of the things I love about

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going to those sort of things is when

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Maynard speaks to the true believers it

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makes for some very interesting

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interviews that's something to look

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forward to in the coming weeks but this

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week coming up this week I will hello to

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pete banks and Beth Darlington and all

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my friends I saw it the paranormal and

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spiritual Expo great people anyway

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coming up this week we have part two of

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Maynard Series with the vet don't Ramon

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the sy babe and event we'll be talking

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about supplements and living in trumps

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America actually I think she was quite

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pleased to visit Australia for a while

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following that Maynard speaks to Adam

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from the herd mentality podcast also

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catches up with roof Ellison who does

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the cranky BOTS scientific jewelry she

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was there and also Tim Mendham and

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Jessica singer from the Australian

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skeptics following that it's our

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occasional reporter Trish Hann she's

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going to be talking about home birth and

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the situation I wasn't aware of where

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some people refused to have what we

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might call standard or necessary or

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practical or sensible precautions and

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other things like vitamin K injections

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altra sounds the sort of things when it

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comes to having a baby a very concerning

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report from Trish Hann then to round off

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the show we head for Sydney skeptics in

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and talking about his book Pine Gap he

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gave a presentation to a roomful of

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skeptics about this joint Australian US

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intelligence gathering base in the

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middle of Australia as a TV show on at

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the moment so there's lots of interest

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in this he gave a very interesting talk

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and some people in the audience yeah and

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I'd put very tough questions to him and

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it was good of course cuz everybody

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deserves to have meaningful but tough

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questions to come their way

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anyway maenad talks to David Rosenberg

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then to mandelino Bilal reporter for the

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skeptic so who is at skeptics in the pub

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great to see Mandy and also Jessica

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Singh and and me but now it's time for

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me to run downstairs and I think today I

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might enjoy a ham and mustard sandwich I

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like the hot English mustard ooh you

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know that oh yeah well I do that

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oh and a cup of coffee while I do that I

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hope you enjoy the sceptic zone

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here's Maynard spooky action at a

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and someone who's scouting out the

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situation today is the scythe or I

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should how you say your surname is fetch

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Dion trimmer we're close it's Yvette

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don't formal and and correct

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pronunciation on the side way but I

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don't think that was our concern and

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thank you for having me here at at

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Australian sceptics pumpkins very

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exciting movies they do any slightly

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better in the forensics can because

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there's one with Angelique Jolie bones

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where and there's a lot about the

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contamination in the crime scene in that

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and all sorts of things that one I've

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tried to see that I don't think hmm I

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have to go with I don't I don't remember

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that one well it's a comment but I just

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basically do you make you the person in

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the movie just eyes their pencils on the

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floor the nuts in the air got ha yeah

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it's kind of like it's like a doctor

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it's like it's like I love the show

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house but it's like I can't

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I know watching it like because I I have

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a few like my body's kind of a lemon

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like there there are just things that

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I'm like how are these many things

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broken yeah I think we can't send it

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back to the factory and get a new if we

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just have to start start over but like

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I've been on a few of the medications

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that they've shown on the show and I've

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had a few of the but it's like whenever

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they show it they show the cartoonish

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representation of things like there was

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medication for a headache condition that

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based on how well it works for pain

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management and how well you tolerate the

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side effects and one of the side effects

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of this which is what they focused on on

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house was that it can cause aphasia and

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me to be a little stuttery and other

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times it can just cause you to sit there

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and go I can't find my words like you'll

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kind of see the first letter of it or

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is I'll be doing podcasts or I'll be on

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stage and I can't but watching another

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Brian I'll be working but the difficulty

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is converting it into space rock but the

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way they showed this on house would this

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this guy like he he'd hit his head and

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it turned out that he was trying he had

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with this medication and it's very

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rarely used to try like it's used as

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kind of a last-ditch effort for that but

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they were showing it like he couldn't

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get us

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single word out that was accurate he was

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saying things like I couldn't tackle the

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bear the state like yeah it's like like

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it was there was nothing that made any

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sense like the weird for me I would say

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words that sounded like the word that I

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was looking for like one day I had left

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my shoes and my friend's garage and this

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was like one of the weirder but more

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like more concrete examples and I was

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that I said to her I'm like yeah I think

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a few weeks I'm like what the hell where

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of the type of thing that would happen

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the medications called topamax it was a

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really great episode of the show but

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watching the way they represented

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someone's brain on this was just so

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inaccurate and that you know stuff like

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that like exaggerations on the weirdest

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who's had chronic illness issues sees

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all this my god what is a doctor see it

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couple of chronic illness people here

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this Alice for skeptics indicator she

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had some chronic issues as well do you

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experience of science I would guess and

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I mean my my illnesses were what kind of

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led me to this I got worst headache of

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my life one day never went away and if I

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hadn't known these this cluster of

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headache symptoms exists I wouldn't have

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basically the left side of my head if I

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wasn't on medication would always have a

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dull ache and then it's before I was put

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on meds anywhere from 60 to a couple

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hundred times a day I would feel like I

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was being stabbed in the eye by a knife

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that's on fire which highly recommend

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no anyway so how could you get anything

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done did you manage to get anything done

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a lot of crying and being miserable like

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the first two weeks was just do I have a

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scientist infection and am I getting my

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gray I just didn't know you know so we

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you're miserable and you think it's

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going to end eventually after like three

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months you're like hoping you still have

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hope that one day you'll find a thing

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that fixes it and after eight months

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you're like you're I mean I wasn't I

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that they don't find a way to fix this

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this for another sixty and I mean this

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got real quickly but you know it's it's

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that thing where people don't understand

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how badly chronic pain affects your life

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and like I looked really healthy I was a

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runner I'd like I'd lost I was like you

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know if this is going wrong with me

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let's make sure that everything else is

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healthy so I started eating ridiculously

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healthy I started going to the gym all

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the time and you know I fell for all

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the toxins I started I went vegan I went

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organic I did all the things and it

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turned out what I needed was medicine so

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similar thing happened to me in the

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early 90s I was take and I was but every

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joint in my body ached except my knees

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started aching and it was just in the

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morning I wake up and eventually and I

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only realized this in retrospect I was

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taking a supplement called lysine

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complex and one day I went to the health

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store to get it because I thought it was

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helping me sleep and it wasn't there

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other that it's not viable anymore and I

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went oh okay and then then the symptoms

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went away and then I was watching a

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Discovery Channel documentary a few

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weeks like I don't know a few years

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later and at that time the only lysine

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complex was Japan was one of the major

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it was polluted or water contaminated

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with strychnine I was having a low-level

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continuous strychnine poisoning that's I

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was going to immunologists and they

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worked all the way to HIV and back and

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everything and he couldn't think and of

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cause no one ran a tox screen why would

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you run a tox screen

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yeah because it wasn't even worth

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mentioning to him I was taking this

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herbal supplement and that's what it was

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like seeing complex from Japan in the

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early 90s look it up on the internet it

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was contaminated with strychnine which I

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believe it's pretty poisonous deadly I

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why I tell people if you're gonna use a

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supplement I mean there's there's pretty

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much nothing on the market in the in the

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supplement market other than a very very

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small handful of them that can be used

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for for gaining muscle mass and please

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you know talk to talk to a review the

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roads a fool it's well crits they found

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that creatinine 5 to 10 creatinine 5 to

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10 milligrams a day along with a high

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protein diet and I end an exercise

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routine in which are lifting Ken for

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some people help with within

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muscle mass but it doesn't like some

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people don't respond to it it's a fairly

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inexpensive supplement and if you're

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trying to lift and gain muscle mass

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nothing wrong with it there are a small

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handful of other ones that if you're if

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your big thing is that you're a lifter

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bodybuilder can be useful but the main

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one that almost everyone will recommend

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that's in the bodybuilding lifting world

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its creatinine tons of evidence that it

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works the other ones that like basically

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folic acid if you are trying to get

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pregnant or if you are currently

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pregnant that one absolutely proof that

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it works and then they kind of drop off

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from there so if you're someone who has

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an absorption issue or if you're someone

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who your body your doctors said yep your

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blood levels came back and you're low on

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this you know obviously try to manage it

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with diet first but you know if you're

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if you haven't heard from a doctor you

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need to take a supplement for this don't

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take one like you don't need you are not

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milk thistle deficient okay you're not

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you are not you deficient on on all

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these random little things from plants

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that you've never heard of you're not

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ginseng deficient I promise you and

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especially and I mean it's I I get it

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that it's that you know we're also not

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Cheetos deficient like there are a lot

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of there are a lot of things that we can

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deal with less of but I mean you

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absolutely don't need a supplement from

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an unregulated industry that you have no

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idea what's in that thing because we've

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seen from testing that some of these

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don't contain the amount or the

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ingredients that they say they do so

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please be careful with your health talk

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to your doctor if you want to see if

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you're low on any vitamins or any

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nutrients but you know don't don't get

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yourself a strychnine you know

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contaminated yeah and because the reason

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was on the shelves is because the

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government removed it because they

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tested it in some studies I removed it

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from the country and because no one in

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the health food store told me that

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that's why I wasn't on the Shelf anymore

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I thought it was some overbearing

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government regulation that had taken it

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away from me I didn't know that I've

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gotten less angry about government

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regulations the more I've seen bad

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science helps America what's it like

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being a science communicator in Trump's

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America it's do you have some tissues

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it's and I mean it's like I don't want

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to say I've given up but I've given up

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like it's

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I do when when you know I have to fight

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with with skeptics to get them to

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believe that that climate change is real

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like that's that has been the biggest

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surprise to me that skeptics are like

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don't believe in climate change and like

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there has been at least in America this

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huge invasion of people who call

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themselves skeptics and what they're

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skeptical what they're skeptical about

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isn't bad science they're not skeptical

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about the things that are hurting people

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they want to be skeptical about feminism

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and I'm like how is it like has we have

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other fish to fry right now that's

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really hurting people and you know what

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I get it everyone has their different

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things i paradise but this is Trump

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sucks a lot out of the news cycle too so

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everything particularly in the US I

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imagine related to him and sure he's

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what he's doing has far-reaching

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consequences without a doubt but there's

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other things that are going unreported

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because of that and I guess that would

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be a problem it's yeah I mean there are

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things that Trump does that go

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underreported because of all the things

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that Trump's doing like there there have

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been major cuts to different to

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different educational agencies there

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have been cuts to I believe some of the

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student loan repayment programs and it's

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it's kind of maddening when you're

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looking at this going I just want to get

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people educated and hopefully have

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everyone who wants to and has the

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capability to study science go as far as

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their attitude and and their their

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willingness to work hard we'll take them

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and I don't feel like we're that country

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anymore and that really depresses me and

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it's just I like once upon a time I

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thought that it was worth fighting for

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it and I I I hope I get that back

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president Elizabeth Warren in would that

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how long would it take to turn the boat

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around again assuming there was a

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majority in the Senate and the lower

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house it does I mean where we are hoping

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it does seem like there will be that

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we're gonna retake at least the house

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possibly the Senate with this coming

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election in a couple weeks

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what if Hillary wants to run again well

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it doesn't seem like she will I mean

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she's she said she won't I hope and I

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mean I might get there's some flak from

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your listeners but I hope Bernie Sanders

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doesn't and it's not it's it's not

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because I won't vote if he if he somehow

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does get the nomination I will vote for

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whoever has the D after their name on

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the ballot it's there's just there's

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there's no let's get none Chomsky and

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nut mock about yeah let's just let's go

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look I've got a fellow podcaster here in

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the foyer who've we got our Adam from

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the herd mentality podcast which is been

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around for ages it's well known and no

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you just saying you've got a few patrons

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now we're just sort of balancing the

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costs of the show but it's a tough slog

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isn't it it is and the amount of work

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and editing goes into this trying to

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edit out arms ours the rest of it you're

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nodding heavily in agreement there when

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I do bunga bunga with Tim Ferguson like

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that show there's something like 328

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edits in a half-hour show and then I've

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got to find all the bits and pieces of

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music and stuff in that and I'm

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exhausted it's like almost three or four

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days by the time that's going on you get

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plenty of mentions I mean I've even

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heard you I think I've heard your show

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mentioned I'm no agenda I think oh well

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I've heard your show mentioned and a

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wide range of things so been on my show

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I have been on show last time was with

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Tim Ferguson when we're at yes we're at

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skeptics in the pub oh well maybe I'm in

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this event last year and the ability to

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do lots of voices and things and that's

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something I can never do well they're

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not good voices are you make an

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attempted their poor approximations of

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other people hmm that's about as good as

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I can get you've been on cognitive

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dissidence and a few ones like that as

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well yeah Tom Cecil been on scathing

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atheist several times

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making fun of the usual religious nut

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bagger II that that goes on but yeah the

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more fun they would get you to do the

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Ken Ham voice with no no more of a Ray

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Comfort that becomes that prefer my Ray

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Comfort we are I get very very angry

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about things that are really doesn't

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make much sense at all

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well personally what gets what gets your

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skeptical goat most of the time there's

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the goat in the field they're skeptical

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goat but what is it I'm heading off to

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get my goat yes just just like it's just

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just people wet weather knowingly or

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unknowingly live and perhaps finding

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ways to better help them and their

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thought processes in order to believe

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less noises and more true things because

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this came up topic the conversation the

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other day I love paying taxes I just got

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my tax refund back but I love paying

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taxes I don't mind paying a lot of tax

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because I know it goes towards education

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and that then leads into a society where

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I have to put up with fewer idiots there

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are a plethora of different topics that

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are being discussed here at the skeptics

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convention we've just had upon a speaker

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ELISA - nice doing a speech on gal

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ability which I thought was absolutely

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fabulous because that's an interest of

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mine why do people and I work in sales

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so I rely on people being gullible in

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order to buy my stuff bit like being a

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podcaster they've got to be gullible to

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give me their money

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if we made it produce the sort of

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nonsense that I produce yeah

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so if I can either learn how to exploit

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it better that puts me in a better

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position or if I can help them overcome

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their obstacles to not be ripped off

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then maybe they'll have more money to

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give me of their own volition

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self-interest in both camp okay radical

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selfie as much as a lista might think

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it's kind of weird for me to give money

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to a podcaster from the other side of

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the thing as a podcaster I am completely

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surprised when anyone actually goes he's

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a dollar a month yeah it's like oh wow

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and you really shouldn't be surprised

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because it's very nice of them but it

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just comes as a slight shock doesn't it

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on the very odd occasion when the

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patreon email pops up and says you've

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been paid a dollar and seventeen cents

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for all your hard work at this

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particular month you didn't publish an

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episode on start look the herd mentality

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podcast for those who haven't yet had

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the misfortune of oh it's you'll either

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laugh or cry probably both but I do like

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to mix in a fair chunk of humour whereby

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it's your life first that think later

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maybe much later have a good time you

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got a bit of a theme over what you're

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gonna be doing over this podcast weekend

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for yourself much the same as you are

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main out running around if you find out

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what's going on then get it later

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I ambush people in fact is there's

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somebody right now Heidi from the

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vaccinations oh yes yes yes now she's an

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absolute dead set champion she said she

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sent me a tweet during the show it said

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that we've got to catch up for coffee so

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soon so look boy look forward to hearing

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that and where can we catch your show

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hurt mentality podcast h er d for those

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who can't spell or get the the joke

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may not have been an absolute pleasure

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seeing you again yay okay look now which

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one of you two is the spokesperson for

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the jewelry

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both of us Elsa and roof know it's

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always a bit like bit the reason party

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in politics sceptical jury is a bit of a

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hard sell sometimes does people can't

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see the connection can they no but I

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think what lucky in camera people are

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more science-based Smith so they really

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enjoy this kind of and I'm wearing a bit

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of science a bit of science

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communication and so what would be your

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favorite bit of skipping or jewelry that

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you go on sale this is a weekend here

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because I can see lots of stuff with

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lots of symbols on it it's got like a

540
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:39,530
sort of a molecular structure on the

541
00:20:43,779 --> 00:20:40,970
wooden ring what is it so this is a

542
00:20:46,270 --> 00:20:43,789
bamboo ring featuring the theobromine

543
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:46,280
which is chocolate Oh caffeine molecule

544
00:20:51,340 --> 00:20:49,730
that's cool yeah it sparks a

545
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:51,350
conversation if people what's that the

546
00:20:56,919 --> 00:20:52,640
molecule of chocolate and they go huh

547
00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:56,929
there we go asked any strange questions

548
00:21:01,659 --> 00:20:58,250
by people because these these do to

549
00:21:02,890 --> 00:21:01,669
inspire questions any strange questions

550
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:02,900
why people because these do inspire

551
00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:04,730
questions I can't you make that no

552
00:21:07,870 --> 00:21:06,470
actually recognizing it's walk down a

553
00:21:10,169 --> 00:21:07,880
street guy are you wearing caffeine

554
00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:10,179
around your neck and I'm like yeah

555
00:21:14,289 --> 00:21:12,470
that's such a Ken Behring thing to do

556
00:21:15,610 --> 00:21:14,299
because everyone's in a hurry to get

557
00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:15,620
home because it's gonna get cold at 3

558
00:21:25,210 --> 00:21:24,049
o'clock what your website for doing BOTS

559
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:25,220
calm again

560
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:30,530
cranky BOTS CRA NK y Bo team comm well

561
00:21:34,330 --> 00:21:32,690
we were actually out on the concourse

562
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:34,340
out this is the rear bit of fresh air I

563
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,530
get in the last three that you don't see

564
00:21:40,510 --> 00:21:38,240
much fresh air in three days do I

565
00:21:41,950 --> 00:21:40,520
Richard you don't and it's really nice

566
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,960
to just step out for a moment it's a

567
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:43,760
nice day really it was raining before

568
00:21:47,620 --> 00:21:46,400
but it's really pleasant out here the

569
00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:47,630
American guests I apologize that

570
00:21:50,020 --> 00:21:48,860
weather's normally a bit better than

571
00:21:51,789 --> 00:21:50,030
this and they said that's firemen from

572
00:21:53,919 --> 00:21:51,799
Los Angeles it's always sunny there it's

573
00:21:55,330 --> 00:21:53,929
always sunny in Burbank means always

574
00:21:57,730 --> 00:21:55,340
sunny no this is quite pleasant

575
00:21:59,140 --> 00:21:57,740
everyone's at lunch yeah we went to the

576
00:22:00,880 --> 00:21:59,150
foyer to see if we can shed to somebody

577
00:22:03,580 --> 00:22:00,890
but there's nobody there mmm yeah nobody

578
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:03,590
there yep it's a good time for filming

579
00:22:06,610 --> 00:22:04,730
some TV and radio

580
00:22:07,930 --> 00:22:06,620
now so we should just get some done but

581
00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:07,940
is there anything you think we need to

582
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:09,110
get out of this weekend is there

583
00:22:13,690 --> 00:22:11,210
something that we need to really imprint

584
00:22:16,150 --> 00:22:13,700
upon the listener about the very nature

585
00:22:19,150 --> 00:22:16,160
of what's going on here well if the

586
00:22:21,159 --> 00:22:19,160
listener aren't isn't aren't aren't here

587
00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:21,169
mm-hmm if you happen not to be here I

588
00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:22,190
mean if you were here and you're

589
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:23,710
listening to this podcast you know how

590
00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:25,970
entertaining it's been and informative

591
00:22:29,770 --> 00:22:27,590
and that's that's the message it's all

592
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:29,780
very well to hear reports or see

593
00:22:33,460 --> 00:22:31,490
internet videos but to be part of the

594
00:22:35,799 --> 00:22:33,470
crowd that last speaker for example had

595
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:35,809
an interactive system where she was

596
00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:37,370
asking for responses and you get you

597
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:39,110
went to a webpage on your smartphone you

598
00:22:42,669 --> 00:22:40,610
tapped in your response and they all

599
00:22:44,380 --> 00:22:42,679
appeared on the screen cool just

600
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:44,390
instantly and that I thought what a good

601
00:22:47,289 --> 00:22:46,130
idea it's better than show a hand you

602
00:22:49,299 --> 00:22:47,299
could have a show of hands Richard oh

603
00:22:51,130 --> 00:22:49,309
yeah you could depending on the

604
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,140
situation but she was saying what word

605
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:52,880
comes to mind when and she gave an

606
00:22:55,870 --> 00:22:54,410
example in everyone's busily typing

607
00:22:58,060 --> 00:22:55,880
words and they all appear on the board

608
00:22:59,470 --> 00:22:58,070
okay yeah it's really good yeah it's

609
00:23:02,020 --> 00:22:59,480
great things like that and just chatting

610
00:23:03,370 --> 00:23:02,030
to people look I'm very keen to talk to

611
00:23:05,260 --> 00:23:03,380
Alice from skeptic to the Kay because

612
00:23:07,180 --> 00:23:05,270
she works through there Marsh of course

613
00:23:09,070 --> 00:23:07,190
who wants to transform the English

614
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,080
socialized medicine scene which is a big

615
00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:11,600
one I saw her Oh a little while she's

616
00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:13,070
probably going off to find a sushi or

617
00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:14,510
something look I don't blame her as long

618
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,860
as she doesn't get at that place I went

619
00:23:18,490 --> 00:23:17,120
to her that really killed me down there

620
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,500
remember you having lunch there we'll

621
00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:20,240
leave here and you bought me something

622
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:21,950
that look I had two mouthfuls of it

623
00:23:23,620 --> 00:23:23,210
Norma's killed what was the hottest

624
00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:23,630
thing ever

625
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:26,510
well listeners might have seen the video

626
00:23:30,730 --> 00:23:29,210
that we did where Alethea is here saying

627
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,740
this has come to Chatswood for the

628
00:23:33,850 --> 00:23:32,240
convention it's a wonderful food scene

629
00:23:35,650 --> 00:23:33,860
and you're in every shot is a background

630
00:23:36,970 --> 00:23:35,660
extra dying in the background because

631
00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:36,980
I've still got chilli in my mouth from

632
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:38,900
that horrible restaurant it killed me we

633
00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:40,250
took you to a restaurant you ordered

634
00:23:43,299 --> 00:23:41,809
something and it was it came with a

635
00:23:45,010 --> 00:23:43,309
health warning I think it was hot I

636
00:23:46,150 --> 00:23:45,020
couldn't hardly eat it I've got lots

637
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:46,160
more interviews to come and we are not

638
00:23:48,820 --> 00:23:47,570
even halfway through in fact they might

639
00:23:50,650 --> 00:23:48,830
even be free from the dinner tonight

640
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,660
that I'm hosting there's a magician on

641
00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:51,679
the dinner which should be fairly

642
00:23:55,539 --> 00:23:53,030
interesting as well do you know who it

643
00:23:57,159 --> 00:23:55,549
is no this is surprise to me he'll

644
00:23:59,730 --> 00:23:57,169
appear from somewhere we'll find out

645
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:02,789
I'm here at the the skeptics table here

646
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:04,000
to amend um's de been doing the whole

647
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:05,529
thing how the sales been going today of

648
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,370
everything you got here

649
00:24:09,389 --> 00:24:07,840
they've been going excellently actually

650
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,399
they hotcakes have been selling like

651
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:11,679
hotcakes one thing you haven't got you

652
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:12,610
haven't got one of these have you

653
00:24:17,730 --> 00:24:15,250
haven't got the 1969 Star Trek original

654
00:24:19,230 --> 00:24:17,740
puzzle book I do actually I've got two

655
00:24:21,810 --> 00:24:19,240
copies of that actually signed signed

656
00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:21,820
yeah I think you haven't got it colored

657
00:24:25,230 --> 00:24:23,559
in as bad as I haven't sort of this look

658
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:25,240
at his my work on Captain Cook's there

659
00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:26,890
we go look at that you haven't a pink

660
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:28,630
face our yellow face on Captain Kirk is

661
00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:31,450
even better and even even in a cartoon

662
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:35,950
drawing yep everything was exactly the

663
00:24:39,389 --> 00:24:37,570
same look even his toupee moves around

664
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:39,399
in every shot that's different yeah yeah

665
00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:40,450
I think I was more of Thunderbirds

666
00:24:43,169 --> 00:24:41,710
personation well I do have the

667
00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:43,179
Thunderbirds one as well I thought would

668
00:24:47,010 --> 00:24:45,340
just be a bit more you know evangelical

669
00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:47,020
to different faiths and bring the Star

670
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:48,190
Trek you see and look there's ones I

671
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,570
haven't done that means that next time

672
00:24:52,590 --> 00:24:50,799
there's a rainy day and everything goes

673
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:52,600
bung I can fill out the old book here

674
00:24:57,810 --> 00:24:54,250
what do you think Jessica oh I think

675
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:57,820
it's just brilliant that the line work

676
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:01,120
the the the shading the the colour

677
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,970
appreciation is just it's just a work of

678
00:25:07,950 --> 00:25:05,760
art yeah I think I like the yellow

679
00:25:09,930 --> 00:25:07,960
Enterprise flying through a cabbage and

680
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:09,940
what what witch's hats have got to do

681
00:25:17,159 --> 00:25:15,250
anything I've got no idea his name the

682
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:17,169
wearer's so who used to wear the term

683
00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:20,169
Achanta there'll be a Scotsman and who

684
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:22,630
used to wear the turban that would be

685
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:25,210
someone from the Middle East - Vania -

686
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:27,250
Vania or perhaps Indian and a fireman's

687
00:25:31,889 --> 00:25:29,350
helmet I guess that'd give way is it

688
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,899
would be a medic but are these not

689
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:34,000
little to be hats of Star Trek

690
00:25:41,820 --> 00:25:36,360
characters well I think you'll find that

691
00:25:43,380 --> 00:25:41,830
Scotty oh yeah you're right captain you

692
00:25:47,340 --> 00:25:43,390
know I didn't get it right that's too

693
00:25:48,779 --> 00:25:47,350
hard for me here we have well that'll be

694
00:25:50,820 --> 00:25:48,789
Doctor Who that would be future Doctor

695
00:25:52,649 --> 00:25:50,830
Who and may not of course add me of

696
00:25:54,269 --> 00:25:52,659
course - no kids tonight but there we go

697
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:54,279
so there's that that's a very special

698
00:25:57,470 --> 00:25:55,690
book I'll be showing off some people I

699
00:26:13,610 --> 00:25:57,480
have to get my photos I can okay look

700
00:26:20,009 --> 00:26:17,039
calling all skeptics or listeners do you

701
00:26:22,049 --> 00:26:20,019
live in or near Glasgow are you planning

702
00:26:25,049 --> 00:26:22,059
to visit sometime then you're in luck

703
00:26:28,139 --> 00:26:25,059
because Glasgow skeptics have got your

704
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:28,149
Monday nights sorted we're committed to

705
00:26:33,419 --> 00:26:30,250
filling up every available Monday night

706
00:26:35,610 --> 00:26:33,429
talks on science and skepticism past

707
00:26:37,379 --> 00:26:35,620
speakers include Eugenie Scott Jerry

708
00:26:39,690 --> 00:26:37,389
Coyne Michael Marshall Nate Phelps

709
00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:39,700
torment Cecil from cognitive dissonance

710
00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:43,630
PZ Myers Richard Wiseman EC drilling nor

711
00:26:48,269 --> 00:26:45,700
Heath and Eli from the scathing atheist

712
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,279
Simon Singh Rebecca Watson and a

713
00:26:52,919 --> 00:26:50,559
multitude of local academics and

714
00:26:55,710 --> 00:26:52,929
skeptics there's literally nothing

715
00:26:57,509 --> 00:26:55,720
better you can do on a Monday in Glasgow

716
00:27:00,450 --> 00:26:57,519
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717
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:00,460
off so come join us we've also got a

718
00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:02,710
vibrant online community you can find us

719
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:04,990
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720
00:27:10,770 --> 00:27:07,330
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721
00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:10,780
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[Music]

723
00:27:30,420 --> 00:27:28,630
the other day I saw a post being shared

724
00:27:32,890 --> 00:27:30,430
on social media which worried me the

725
00:27:35,290 --> 00:27:32,900
post contained a photo of a woman

726
00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:35,300
holding newborn twins and was a company

727
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:37,340
with a very emoji dating paragraph which

728
00:27:43,090 --> 00:27:40,370
said quote what a home birth full of

729
00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:43,100
unexpected surprises literally one after

730
00:27:47,710 --> 00:27:45,620
the other mum gave birth to her sweet

731
00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:47,720
little baby boy in water and then we

732
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,160
thought the placenta was about to come

733
00:27:53,230 --> 00:27:51,200
but as it turned out there was another

734
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:53,240
baby boy about to make his entrance into

735
00:28:00,820 --> 00:27:56,090
the world what a superhero mom she is

736
00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:00,830
what an amazing birth end quote when I

737
00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:03,560
first saw this my first thought was

738
00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:06,590
crikey imagine having to give birth at

739
00:28:12,850 --> 00:28:09,230
home to double the amount of babies you

740
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,860
were expecting then I did some more

741
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,480
reading of the Facebook page this was

742
00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:17,120
posted on and I waded through a sea of

743
00:28:21,820 --> 00:28:19,420
red flags

744
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:21,830
according to 10 moons home birth

745
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:24,170
services of Melbourne this mother

746
00:28:29,530 --> 00:28:26,690
elected not to have ultrasounds during

747
00:28:33,130 --> 00:28:29,540
her pregnancy which is why the twins

748
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:33,140
were a surprise as a radiographer this

749
00:28:37,870 --> 00:28:36,290
fact really shook me my scenographer

750
00:28:39,670 --> 00:28:37,880
colleagues are easily some of the

751
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:39,680
busiest people in the department and

752
00:28:45,070 --> 00:28:42,410
fetal scanning is non-stop day-in

753
00:28:47,020 --> 00:28:45,080
day-out so to think that there are women

754
00:28:49,330 --> 00:28:47,030
out there who are deliberately avoiding

755
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:49,340
this staple of antenatal care is just

756
00:28:54,670 --> 00:28:52,610
mind-blowing this sent me down the

757
00:28:56,250 --> 00:28:54,680
rabbit hole of anecdotes from women who

758
00:28:58,690 --> 00:28:56,260
had decided to go through their entire

759
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:58,700
pregnancies with no ultrasound scans

760
00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:01,520
whatsoever usually because of the fear

761
00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:02,900
that the scans are harmful to their

762
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:03,470
babies

763
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:07,190
spoiler alert they aren't ultrasound

764
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:09,290
scans performed by trained scenographer

765
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:12,260
are completely safe ultrasound scans

766
00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:14,810
performed by trained scenographer save

767
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,300
lives 19 percent of 10 moons customers

768
00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:23,120
chose not to have any sonography at all

769
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:26,750
during their pregnancy a huge risk not

770
00:29:30,669 --> 00:29:27,770
just because of the aforementioned

771
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,679
surprise twins but also to screen for

772
00:29:33,330 --> 00:29:32,480
conditions such as a and carefully a

773
00:29:35,910 --> 00:29:33,340
condition

774
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,920
where the brain does not develop spina

775
00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:38,080
bifida where the spinal cord develops

776
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:40,870
abnormally and to check for the general

777
00:29:45,620 --> 00:29:42,760
development and movement of the fetus to

778
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:45,630
make sure it's growing as it should be

779
00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:48,610
antenatal ultrasound scans are also used

780
00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:50,230
to determine whether a pregnancy is

781
00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:52,600
viable and to make sure it doesn't pose

782
00:29:59,100 --> 00:29:55,060
a risk to the mother such as in the case

783
00:30:00,750 --> 00:29:59,110
of ectopic pregnancies an important part

784
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:00,760
of the antenatal scan and something

785
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:03,250
parents often love is hearing the fetal

786
00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:06,250
heartbeat this is a magical experience

787
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:07,960
for the parents as it's often the thing

788
00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:09,730
that really makes the whole process real

789
00:30:13,530 --> 00:30:12,220
and tangible and I'm very privileged to

790
00:30:15,390 --> 00:30:13,540
have witnessed mother's hear their

791
00:30:18,990 --> 00:30:15,400
babies heartbeats for the first time and

792
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:19,000
it's truly wondrous I have also been

793
00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:20,470
there for the sad times when there

794
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:21,700
hasn't been a heartbeat

795
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:24,370
and these cases are both devastating and

796
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,090
dangerous as the fetal tissue begins to

797
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,640
decay the risk of sepsis increases and

798
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:33,240
this is a major cause of maternal death

799
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:35,530
the fetus needs to be removed

800
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:38,650
immediately and completely and in places

801
00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:40,690
where abortion services are limited due

802
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:43,540
to the law hello New South Wales these

803
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:47,290
restrictions can cost lives so why

804
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:48,850
wouldn't you want an ultrasound of your

805
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:49,450
baby

806
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:52,690
I completely understand not wanting to

807
00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:55,030
know the baby's sex prior to birth we

808
00:31:00,150 --> 00:30:57,220
have a bizarre fixation on the genitalia

809
00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:00,160
of others and I totally comprehend not

810
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:01,660
wanting to post your gray and black

811
00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:04,330
splotchy picture on Facebook I applaud

812
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:07,480
it in fact but what I cannot fathom is

813
00:31:11,790 --> 00:31:09,370
the complete avoidance of a very

814
00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:11,800
important and very available screening

815
00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:15,460
tool apparently there are some people

816
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:17,590
out there who believe that ultrasound

817
00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:19,720
scans are a government conspiracy to

818
00:31:23,370 --> 00:31:22,060
kill babies or make them left-handed or

819
00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:23,380
something honestly

820
00:31:29,250 --> 00:31:26,950
and while improper use of ultrasound can

821
00:31:33,570 --> 00:31:29,260
be risky in the hands of a trained

822
00:31:35,670 --> 00:31:33,580
professional it won't harm your fetus so

823
00:31:37,470 --> 00:31:35,680
I wondered what other healthcare some

824
00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:37,480
expectant parents are avoiding during

825
00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:42,190
pregnancy it turns out there's a lot 10

826
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:44,020
moons home birth services of Melbourne

827
00:31:48,930 --> 00:31:47,049
proudly boasts for 31 percent of their

828
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:48,940
customers declined the newborn screening

829
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:52,330
test this is the heel prick test that

830
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:53,710
can check for conditions such as

831
00:31:59,970 --> 00:31:56,799
congenital hyperthyroidism cystic

832
00:32:01,769 --> 00:31:59,980
fibrosis amino acid disorders and a

833
00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:01,779
whole heap of other conditions which can

834
00:32:08,639 --> 00:32:05,230
be life-threatening if untreated they

835
00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:08,649
also say that 85% of customers declined

836
00:32:13,289 --> 00:32:11,950
the vitamin K injections thats the

837
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:13,299
injection that prevents clotting

838
00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:15,970
disorders thereby stopping babies from

839
00:32:23,639 --> 00:32:18,340
bleeding to death hours after being born

840
00:32:25,889 --> 00:32:23,649
a very real risk in neonates ten moons

841
00:32:29,129 --> 00:32:25,899
home birth services are very pleased

842
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:29,139
that 91% of their customers don't bother

843
00:32:35,489 --> 00:32:32,609
testing for neonatal hypoglycemia and

844
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:35,499
99% aren't worried about the risks of

845
00:32:40,129 --> 00:32:37,570
Group B streptococcus infections being

846
00:32:43,229 --> 00:32:40,139
transmitted to newborn infants which is

847
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:43,239
terrifying because hypoglycemia and

848
00:32:47,249 --> 00:32:44,169
Group B Strep

849
00:32:49,649 --> 00:32:47,259
are both very very treatable but if

850
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:49,659
undetected have high morbidity and

851
00:32:55,889 --> 00:32:53,289
mortality rates but what's all the fuss

852
00:32:57,570 --> 00:32:55,899
about antenatal screening has only been

853
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,580
around relatively recently in the

854
00:33:01,649 --> 00:32:59,679
timeline of human existence and we

855
00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:01,659
haven't gone extinct so is it really

856
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:06,220
such a big deal well yeah sure mothers

857
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,289
of your gave birth without drugs without

858
00:33:13,379 --> 00:33:10,960
scans without vitamin K and without

859
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:13,389
hearing their baby's heartbeat but do

860
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:14,830
you know what a huge percent of those

861
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:17,980
mothers did experience death during

862
00:33:24,749 --> 00:33:22,090
childbirth so like everything whether

863
00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:24,759
it's polio measles whooping cough or

864
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:27,070
hemorrhagic disease of the newborn when

865
00:33:31,399 --> 00:33:29,710
modern health care becomes so good that

866
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:31,409
these conditions are no longer prevalent

867
00:33:38,249 --> 00:33:34,049
privileged people become complacent

868
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:38,259
negligent even the iron lung is a museum

869
00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:40,690
artifact so let's not bother vaccinating

870
00:33:44,669 --> 00:33:43,480
anymore no one in my family died of

871
00:33:48,629 --> 00:33:44,679
newborn hemorrhagic disease

872
00:33:50,129 --> 00:33:48,639
so put that vitamin injection down there

873
00:33:52,830 --> 00:33:50,139
are women across the world

874
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:52,840
dying because they don't have access to

875
00:33:55,810 --> 00:33:53,570
health care

876
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:55,820
while rich Australians are deliberately

877
00:34:00,220 --> 00:33:56,710
avoiding it

878
00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:00,230
this isn't female empowerment this is

879
00:34:05,410 --> 00:34:03,500
endangerment and we as science advocates

880
00:34:07,660 --> 00:34:05,420
need to be doing everything within our

881
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:07,670
power to address this behavior and help

882
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:11,030
stop it from becoming widespread this is

883
00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:27,770
Trish Han for the skeptic zone hey you

884
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:30,080
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885
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890
00:34:45,610 --> 00:34:43,430
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891
00:34:48,190 --> 00:34:45,620
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892
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895
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896
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899
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901
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[Music]

902
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:23,890
well here we are skeptics at the pub but

903
00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:25,730
it's it because it runs excited because

904
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:28,070
the skeptic on has gone I think that's

905
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:29,810
my food going off there that's right

906
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:32,570
but yes skeptic on has happened and it's

907
00:35:35,980 --> 00:35:33,650
going to be all happening here tonight

908
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:35,990
for the November skeptics in the pub

909
00:35:41,230 --> 00:35:38,810
tonight we've got David Rosenberg who's

910
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:41,240
going to be talking about his book Pine

911
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:43,250
Gap he was as we have had on the show

912
00:35:48,070 --> 00:35:43,610
before

913
00:35:50,590 --> 00:35:48,080
he's the technology to the ABC series

914
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,600
Pine Gap and because he worked there for

915
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:52,400
18 years so he knows a lot of stuff that

916
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:53,930
he hasn't been telling us particularly

917
00:35:58,690 --> 00:35:56,570
me I've been asking him stuff about ASIS

918
00:36:01,420 --> 00:35:58,700
look them up in your book they're

919
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:01,430
Australian Security Agency ASIS

920
00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:03,290
they're our CIA you don't hear about

921
00:36:06,580 --> 00:36:05,270
them as much as a CEO but a tip of the

922
00:36:08,290 --> 00:36:06,590
hat to them for whatever work they're

923
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:08,300
doing or wherever it is just long as

924
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:10,700
it's not my place because David just

925
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:12,530
just before you go on you a bit of

926
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,910
performer you are a bit of an actor as

927
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:15,680
well how do you prepare to go on in

928
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,060
front of a strange audience like this

929
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:19,280
about to talk about your book because it

930
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:20,690
is a very personal thing you're not

931
00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:22,970
dealing with it's your book material and

932
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:23,870
stuff you've written

933
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:26,810
I just approach every talk pretty much

934
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:28,010
pretty much the same I go out with a

935
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:30,170
positive attitude I look at people I

936
00:36:35,170 --> 00:36:32,930
smile I let them know that I'm that I'm

937
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:35,180
here for them so to give them some

938
00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:37,130
information that bait that they want to

939
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:39,080
know more about and if anyone has any

940
00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:41,570
questions for you I'm always willing to

941
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:43,580
answer whatever I can say what about

942
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:46,370
lifestyle tips here on the epic zone and

943
00:36:49,930 --> 00:36:48,110
that's a good advice for anyone giving a

944
00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:49,940
talk about anything get out there be

945
00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:51,590
positive and of course occasionally with

946
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:52,820
your topic you'll get people to go oh I

947
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:54,920
don't like us basis blah blah blah you

948
00:36:58,930 --> 00:36:56,570
get the occasional person like that

949
00:37:00,880 --> 00:36:58,940
patty handle em I have had necklace

950
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,890
before but that's okay because I think

951
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,000
that everybody's entitled to their

952
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,640
opinion if if if I know that what

953
00:37:08,350 --> 00:37:06,320
they're telling me is just

954
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:08,360
sensationalized and not correct I

955
00:37:12,490 --> 00:37:10,730
basically tell them hey you're entitled

956
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:12,500
to your opinion but this is what

957
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:13,830
actually happens

958
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:16,530
yes so will you be revealing to us - not

959
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:18,210
exactly the resolution that spire

960
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,770
satellites have at ground level of

961
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:22,560
number plates and stuff I wish I wish I

962
00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:25,290
knew the answer to that one I did I

963
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:26,790
didn't deal with imagery I dealt with

964
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,180
signals intelligence so I I wasn't

965
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:32,400
involved very much in depth with with

966
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:33,930
those kind of satellites but they are

967
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:35,730
pretty awesome yeah I imagine they will

968
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:37,140
be there too well I hope I'm sure you

969
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:38,700
get some curly questions I'll be looking

970
00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:40,500
forward to you dodging the hard ones I

971
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:42,360
hope I do get some curly questions I'm

972
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:43,470
always looking forward to that thank you

973
00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:44,040
so much

974
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,360
the recent ABC television series the

975
00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:50,160
technical adviser on that so when you

976
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:51,480
see all the monitors and there's

977
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:55,290
satellites whizzing around things David

978
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:58,850
was the man who revised the film crew

979
00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:01,500
thought about that so he's gonna be

980
00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:03,630
talking tonight about his time to fight

981
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,550
yep revealing all the secrets tonight

982
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:08,160
I'm pleased to say and he also has some

983
00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:09,960
copies of these stories which you might

984
00:38:23,180 --> 00:38:12,180
be interested in see David I'm very

985
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:23,190
strong but without any for me okay thank

986
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:26,220
you very much thank you first thing I'd

987
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:27,930
like to say that everybody is now good

988
00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:33,790
thank you very much for having me here

989
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:35,420
tonight it's a real pleasure to come out

990
00:38:39,790 --> 00:38:37,010
and talk to you about a subject that

991
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:39,800
many of you are familiar with you might

992
00:38:43,090 --> 00:38:40,970
know about some of the conspiracy

993
00:38:45,370 --> 00:38:43,100
theories and the myths and

994
00:38:52,270 --> 00:38:45,380
misconceptions about about the Pine Gap

995
00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:55,260
[Music]

996
00:39:00,100 --> 00:38:57,830
book you seen could pick up a book for

997
00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:00,110
sale I'm sure if I can reinforce Asians

998
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:16,760
names are in there but jessica's singer

999
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:18,770
here a member of the board we've got all

1000
00:39:23,410 --> 00:39:21,440
the board members here we've got yeah

1001
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:23,420
yeah it's a really busy night tonight

1002
00:39:28,090 --> 00:39:25,310
about as many as we usually have is yeah

1003
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:28,100
yeah by the way who's on next month do

1004
00:39:33,370 --> 00:39:31,610
we know yet yes next month is Gideon who

1005
00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:33,380
is sitting over there and he will be

1006
00:39:39,130 --> 00:39:35,630
talking about why the Daily Mail is

1007
00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:39,140
wrong oh come on fish in a barrel that's

1008
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:41,390
a bit easy isn't it it's long because

1009
00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:43,430
they put the entire story body in their

1010
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:45,980
head liner that's why usually clickbait

1011
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:48,800
yeah yeah you read any daily Daily Mail

1012
00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:50,570
headline it's about two paragraphs on

1013
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:53,360
itself but on to tonight's topic do you

1014
00:39:57,250 --> 00:39:55,010
think we are better off for having a

1015
00:39:58,210 --> 00:39:57,260
joint facility at Pine Gap after

1016
00:40:03,640 --> 00:39:58,220
listening to David

1017
00:40:05,050 --> 00:40:03,650
very persuasive he was you know he he he

1018
00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:05,060
was doing the whole ethical thing he was

1019
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:06,350
doing everything so right thank you

1020
00:40:12,430 --> 00:40:08,510
something about kumbaya things all all

1021
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:12,440
legal and very you know used for good

1022
00:40:17,780 --> 00:40:13,470
only

1023
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:17,790
what if the ghost woman hits somebody

1024
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:19,650
else he was a bit somebody are about

1025
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:21,060
that because you know they might have

1026
00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:22,500
been gaming it but they were telling you

1027
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:23,750
where to put it in the first place

1028
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:27,180
accidents happen yeah I guess said that

1029
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:29,130
yes oh that's interesting here so yeah

1030
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:31,560
necessary evil would you say possibly

1031
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:34,170
yeah yeah unfortunate okay thanks sister

1032
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:35,940
go and come along speaking missus it

1033
00:40:39,859 --> 00:40:38,010
will talk about unnecessary evils next

1034
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:39,869
month we have the Daily Mail at the

1035
00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:41,400
Daily Mail I hope he's gonna show some

1036
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:44,040
photos Oh that'd be interesting I love

1037
00:40:48,109 --> 00:40:45,540
the ones of Kate Moss who was supposedly

1038
00:40:50,570 --> 00:40:48,119
getting fat on a in Majorca ten

1039
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:50,580
years ago I think she'd ballooned out to

1040
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,440
a size eight and a half in Australia and

1041
00:40:56,260 --> 00:40:54,480
also know that I just don't believe it I

1042
00:40:58,220 --> 00:40:56,270
know exactly that's the Daily Mail

1043
00:41:00,260 --> 00:40:58,230
because we've got a special guest here

1044
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:00,270
tonight other than that Dave Rosenberg

1045
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:02,730
we've got the very own diet skeptic

1046
00:41:05,540 --> 00:41:05,220
yourself hello hello man out how are you

1047
00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:05,550
tonight

1048
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,080
pretty good what brings you down from

1049
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,440
Brisbane oh I'm actually doing a bit of

1050
00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:12,480
Dietetic way but I thought I'd drop in

1051
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:14,670
to Sydney skeptics and see the speaker

1052
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,140
tonight was just really I'm quite

1053
00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:18,480
interesting yeah what do you think of

1054
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:19,830
skeptic on this year they have big

1055
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,930
skeptical blowout it was really

1056
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:24,000
fantastic and I think there was

1057
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:25,800
definitely some really great speakers

1058
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:27,570
it's really surprising and interesting

1059
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:30,420
so new ideas did you get any good diet

1060
00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:34,320
rebut ideas come into it there was some

1061
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:36,390
10 million diverse more what not to do

1062
00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:39,060
with diets I've seen what to do with

1063
00:41:44,359 --> 00:41:42,300
diets but you know there was diet always

1064
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:44,369
plays a part and any sort of skeptical

1065
00:41:48,260 --> 00:41:46,290
activity there's a lot of women

1066
00:41:49,460 --> 00:41:48,270
nutrition oh it certainly it's got a bit

1067
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,470
it's funny the things you've mentioned

1068
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:51,119
here on the on the dietary skeptic are

1069
00:41:55,220 --> 00:41:52,530
things that I've taken interest in our

1070
00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:55,230
memory did the story on a to milk yes

1071
00:41:59,660 --> 00:41:57,030
didn't even know existed to did that

1072
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:59,670
story and now I drink a to milk skim all

1073
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:01,619
the time the pink pot the pink cap one

1074
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:03,930
why I don't know something about you

1075
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:05,369
mentioning it and I know you completely

1076
00:42:08,990 --> 00:42:06,690
said that there's no point to do it

1077
00:42:10,970 --> 00:42:09,000
didn't you there's absolutely no benefit

1078
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:10,980
in milk but it's ten percent of our milk

1079
00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:13,770
market and it's absolutely taking off

1080
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:16,230
hugely overseas it could be good could

1081
00:42:20,410 --> 00:42:18,540
be completely placebo but I think it

1082
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:20,420
tastes a bit better but I don't know why

1083
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:22,950
you wouldn't be able to taste it taste

1084
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:23,940
anytime

1085
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:25,290
difference whatsoever because it's only

1086
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:29,670
one different amino acid in all the milk

1087
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:32,700
no there'll be no expectations unlike

1088
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:34,260
something like lactose free milk which

1089
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:37,320
does actually taste sweeter okay well

1090
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:38,970
yeah well that also also the whole white

1091
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:40,410
knuckling thing you did when you talked

1092
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:41,940
about the dietary stuff I thought if you

1093
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:43,560
want to lose weight you've got a white

1094
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:45,810
knuckle which I would not recommend to

1095
00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:46,200
anyone

1096
00:42:51,980 --> 00:42:48,270
it just means exercising a lot and

1097
00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:51,990
really not eating it does and even for

1098
00:43:00,020 --> 00:42:53,640
some people who do that they'll still

1099
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:00,030
regain their way that's right gives you

1100
00:43:03,830 --> 00:43:02,010
temporary benefit I found when I'm

1101
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:03,840
really stressed I lose weight no problem

1102
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:05,130
at all now is that just because I'm

1103
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,780
eating less or something else is burning

1104
00:43:13,220 --> 00:43:08,640
it somewhere more likely that you're

1105
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:13,230
eating less itself does not actually

1106
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,160
burn calories no anyway some people will

1107
00:43:21,590 --> 00:43:19,440
eat more when they're stressed I'll find

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00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:21,600
comfort from food and also if you're

1109
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:24,180
releasing cortisol all the time that can

1110
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:26,910
lead to weight gain particularly

1111
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:29,850
abdominal adiposity so trying to work on

1112
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,230
your stress is definitely a good way to

1113
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:34,020
be healthier so what does that chemical

1114
00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:35,760
make you gain weight around the belly

1115
00:43:43,130 --> 00:43:39,950
why that it's just part of what it does

1116
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:43,140
I'm not sure exactly why Oh what if we

1117
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:49,410
know I just out it might be putting it

1118
00:43:56,330 --> 00:43:50,850
there in case you needed to do any

1119
00:43:59,360 --> 00:43:56,340
running or something like that yeah a

1120
00:44:03,820 --> 00:43:59,370
good reason for doing it I'm a koala

1121
00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:06,680
and what did you think I've been asking

1122
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:08,520
people what they think of us having a

1123
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:10,200
joint facility with the Americans after

1124
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:11,490
hearing what David had to say tonight

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00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:14,040
Mandy what do you think well I think the

1126
00:44:18,770 --> 00:44:16,680
day went to quite quite mentioned quite

1127
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:18,780
a few times that the intelligence that

1128
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:22,500
was game was accessible by both parties

1129
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:25,619
and that sounds reasonable enough but

1130
00:44:32,779 --> 00:44:29,339
whether will it ever know what the

1131
00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:32,789
actual goings-on is you know I think

1132
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:35,430
it's a good good um I think his point

1133
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,900
about it being good value for money as

1134
00:44:40,549 --> 00:44:38,700
far as surveillance guys I think that

1135
00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:40,559
was a really good point I think so we

1136
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:42,119
gotta factor in things like North West

1137
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:44,010
Cape as well you can't just take pirate

1138
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:45,510
Pine Gap in it on its own

1139
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,400
there's always Northwest Cape and that's

1140
00:44:51,289 --> 00:44:49,680
very much well almost a more American

1141
00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:51,299
facility than Pine Gap because there's

1142
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:52,859
submarine transmissions going out of

1143
00:45:02,960 --> 00:44:59,770
that seems a lot more than an American

1144
00:45:04,789 --> 00:45:02,970
we only have one submarine and it's got

1145
00:45:06,380 --> 00:45:04,799
a captain attack LP I think he's a

1146
00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:06,390
really good submarine captain but that

1147
00:45:15,740 --> 00:45:13,140
captain kelpy sort of stuff than me so

1148
00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:15,750
okay we all I think we all know a little

1149
00:45:20,299 --> 00:45:18,030
bit something - that's for sure it was a

1150
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:20,309
very interesting talk and yeah I'll

1151
00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:21,720
definitely be watching the rest of the

1152
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:22,140
series

1153
00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:23,910
thanks for being here Mandy and tell me

1154
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:25,470
is a bit of something you're working on

1155
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:26,819
for the skeptic zone in coming weeks

1156
00:45:31,339 --> 00:45:28,920
you're looking at some dietary whoo to

1157
00:45:33,849 --> 00:45:31,349
share with us yeah richard has been

1158
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:33,859
asking me for a story so I've been

1159
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:38,160
looking into fish oil and whether

1160
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,690
there's any benefit is visual

1161
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,000
supplementation ah my dad's always give

1162
00:45:45,740 --> 00:45:44,099
me fish oil he's always like he's 90

1163
00:45:47,269 --> 00:45:45,750
he's always giving me fish oil he

1164
00:45:49,220 --> 00:45:47,279
somehow he thinks it's good further

1165
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:49,230
joins other bones or something I mean I

1166
00:45:57,370 --> 00:45:51,630
probably don't think it is you know I

1167
00:46:02,120 --> 00:45:59,750
I'll definitely be unpacking all the

1168
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:02,130
evidence and I don't think I think there

1169
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,020
might be a lot of marketing involved all

1170
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,000
I think so if you're taking fish oil out

1171
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,920
there stay tuned in coming weeks thanks

1172
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:10,319
Mandy they were just doing a bit of

1173
00:46:18,279 --> 00:46:12,510
spoon bending here and look man is being

1174
00:46:22,819 --> 00:46:20,569
everything you do this before no I

1175
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:22,829
haven't it's really fantastic

1176
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:25,049
he really Yuri Yuri the Gellers out of a

1177
00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:26,410
doughnut

1178
00:46:29,490 --> 00:46:28,150
it's great to see manually Neville here

1179
00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:29,500
the skirt is unreported I've been

1180
00:46:31,849 --> 00:46:30,430
chatting to her house she's got

1181
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:31,859
something coming up about fish oil oh

1182
00:46:36,210 --> 00:46:34,930
yes yes that's gonna be English I've

1183
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:36,220
been taking every day to keep my dad

1184
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:39,490
happy and he swears by it for joints and

1185
00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:40,329
things like that

1186
00:46:45,210 --> 00:46:43,630
I usually swear at it myself look I've

1187
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:45,220
tried to get a few people to ask them

1188
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:46,780
about the Pine Gap question but a lot of

1189
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:48,190
people will not go on the record I've

1190
00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:49,390
had three people who won't get on the

1191
00:46:53,970 --> 00:46:51,819
record tonight oh I'm not surprised it's

1192
00:46:55,170 --> 00:46:53,980
a very controversial topic but what if I

1193
00:46:57,299 --> 00:46:55,180
talk from David tonight

1194
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,309
it was great pretty good he got some

1195
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,440
curly ones there I thought a few curly

1196
00:47:03,059 --> 00:47:00,640
ones a few people who are very

1197
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:03,069
suspicious will see of course he

1198
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:04,420
wouldn't know the whole thing's called

1199
00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:05,230
Essure lon

1200
00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:07,420
assha lon is probably what the name is

1201
00:47:11,069 --> 00:47:09,460
given to the end user he's just the

1202
00:47:13,230 --> 00:47:11,079
backend guy who collects some of the

1203
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:13,240
frequencies for us well that's what he's

1204
00:47:18,029 --> 00:47:16,089
telling us exactly that kind of thing

1205
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:18,039
but also excellence probably about a

1206
00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:19,359
decade old now that probably got

1207
00:47:26,350 --> 00:47:20,980
something much better with a much better

1208
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:40,740
[Music]

1209
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:43,060
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1210
00:47:48,609 --> 00:47:46,190
zone coming up next week on the show we

1211
00:47:51,250 --> 00:47:48,619
hear from mal Vickers now some months

1212
00:47:55,150 --> 00:47:51,260
ago on the skeptic zone I put out a plea

1213
00:47:58,300 --> 00:47:55,160
for technically minded skeptics to

1214
00:48:00,580 --> 00:47:58,310
contact mouth vicars concerning an

1215
00:48:02,859 --> 00:48:00,590
internet project he was doing and he's

1216
00:48:05,620 --> 00:48:02,869
going to report back about the wonderful

1217
00:48:07,630 --> 00:48:05,630
success that was and how the skeptic

1218
00:48:10,060 --> 00:48:07,640
zone listeners around the world came to

1219
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:10,070
his aid and helped him do something

1220
00:48:14,349 --> 00:48:12,170
which is of great benefit to the

1221
00:48:16,750 --> 00:48:14,359
skeptical cause a great benefit to

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00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:16,760
society in science that's coming up next

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00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:20,180
week also part three the last part of

1224
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:20,960
maynard's

1225
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,910
chat with the vet daughter mom the side

1226
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:25,280
babe she's going to be discussing

1227
00:48:33,070 --> 00:48:29,119
William Shatner why not not getting sued

1228
00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:33,080
and her possible new job also interviews

1229
00:48:38,830 --> 00:48:35,150
with people like dr. Pamela gay and

1230
00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:38,840
Kirsten Banks both wonderful astronomers

1231
00:48:44,609 --> 00:48:40,790
thank you to those people who have

1232
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:44,619
recently joined the list of people's

1233
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:46,730
contributing to the skeptic zone via

1234
00:48:52,359 --> 00:48:49,369
patreon or PayPal mostly via patreon

1235
00:48:55,390 --> 00:48:52,369
these days and I've just noticed in fact

1236
00:48:58,900 --> 00:48:55,400
I heard a news a news report two days

1237
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:58,910
ago our dollar our dollar has tanked

1238
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:01,280
when I say tanked it's at the bottom of

1239
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:02,720
the tank the bottom of the barrel I

1240
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:06,670
think it's hovering around 70 cents u.s.

1241
00:49:12,550 --> 00:49:09,290
hmm not good if you're going to the

1242
00:49:15,460 --> 00:49:12,560
states from here an expensive holiday

1243
00:49:18,370 --> 00:49:15,470
but if you're in the States sending

1244
00:49:21,220 --> 00:49:18,380
money to Australia your money magically

1245
00:49:23,650 --> 00:49:21,230
increases in fact if you want to come

1246
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:23,660
and visit Australia Americans now is a

1247
00:49:28,359 --> 00:49:25,910
good time your dollar goes a lot further

1248
00:49:31,420 --> 00:49:28,369
but for those people who contribute to

1249
00:49:33,609 --> 00:49:31,430
the sceptic Zone in US dollars your

1250
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:33,619
dollars magically increased by the time

1251
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:35,510
they get here to skeptics own

1252
00:49:40,089 --> 00:49:38,330
headquarters and I think I mentioned

1253
00:49:42,099 --> 00:49:40,099
I've recently bought some new equipment

1254
00:49:45,790 --> 00:49:42,109
to make make it a lot easier for me to

1255
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:45,800
do multi people interviews and mixing

1256
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:46,910
and things like that much appreciated

1257
00:49:50,860 --> 00:49:49,730
all because of your generosity oh you

1258
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:50,870
people who chip in

1259
00:49:56,350 --> 00:49:54,110
even if it's $5 a month it it means the

1260
00:49:58,660 --> 00:49:56,360
show keeps going simple as that don't

1261
00:50:00,370 --> 00:49:58,670
forget to check out Maenads own podcasts

1262
00:50:03,370 --> 00:50:00,380
at Maynard com

1263
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:03,380
au and if you have a scientific or

1264
00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:06,050
skeptically related podcast anywhere in

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00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:07,270
the world please get in touch

1266
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:10,730
ww skeptics on TV you'll see the contact

1267
00:50:17,370 --> 00:50:14,090
links and I'd probably be very happy to

1268
00:50:20,170 --> 00:50:17,380
promote your your podcast or your blog

1269
00:50:22,750 --> 00:50:20,180
as long as its scientific clearly

1270
00:50:24,430 --> 00:50:22,760
related or skeptically motivated or

1271
00:50:26,740 --> 00:50:24,440
something like that we'll have a look

1272
00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:26,750
but for this week this is Richard

1273
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:28,670
Saunders signing off from Sydney

1274
00:50:37,570 --> 00:50:34,880
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1287
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,110
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1288
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1289
00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:32,570
what a nice coffee that was yes she's

1290
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:35,960
looking at Buuren walk over

1291
00:51:40,269 --> 00:51:37,970
hello I know we did this before but it

1292
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,279
didn't work so we have to do it again is

1293
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:42,240
that Alright

1294
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:44,940
it's karena from the Madame frou frou

1295
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:47,940
cafe I'll just pass you the 10-sided

1296
00:51:54,110 --> 00:51:49,410
dice right there the same things how to

1297
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:54,120
die so give it a good shake please take

1298
00:52:01,330 --> 00:51:55,790
shake shake shake

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and the first number is lucky number

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00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:07,770
five number five is the first number

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00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:10,890
remember it's from zero to ten or one to

1302
00:52:27,050 --> 00:52:13,920
ten I should say next number one more

1303
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:27,060
time here we go six yeah that's a little

1304
00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:28,680
line under it means that's that's the

1305
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:30,420
way you look at it so that's five and

1306
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:33,030
six one more time I wonder how you're

1307
00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:34,680
going there listening at home or in the

1308
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:43,460
ten foot is a zero for that in this on

1309
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,710
this dice that means ten so what was it

1310
00:52:54,110 --> 00:52:49,680
was five six and ten and where's the

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best coffee in Cleveland Lee point three